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Имеются в виду не старообрядцы, а противники реформ в православии в 1920-х годах. Их противники назывались "обновленцами" (innovationists).

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Сама себе отвечаю: нет, не старообрядцы. Это намного позже.

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1. OLD BELIEVERS are СТАРОВЕРЫ или СТАРООБРЯДЦЫ
The Old Believers (старове́ры or старообря́дцы) are a schismatic group of the Russian Orthodox Church.
http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Old-Believers

2. СТАРООБРЯДЦЫ and СТАРОЦЕРКОВНИКИ are different communities
Административным отделом губисполкома Алтайской губернии в ноябре 1923 года были зарегистрированы 523 религиозные общины. ... К началу 1925 года отделом учтена 351 православная община и около трехсот прочих: католики, лютеране, мусульмане, СТАРООБРЯДЦЫ, евангелисты, баптисты, адвентисты, духовные христиане.

По данным Барнаульского горкома ВКП(б), в 1928 году в городе зарегистрирована 21 религиозная община, в том числе: обновленческих - 4, СТАРОЦЕРКОВНИКОВ - 5, мусульманских - 2, евангельских христиан - 2, СТАРООБРЯДЧЕСКИХ - 3: Белокриницкого, Поморского и Часовенного согласий; иудейская, католическая, баптистская, адвентистов, христиан евангельской веры.
http://www.regionalcom.ru/ru/altai/razgon

3. СТАРОЦЕРКОВНИКИ are TIKHONITES
Однако в 1926 году верх взяли СТАРОЦЕРКОВНИКИ и до конца двадцатых годов община считалась "ТИХОНОВСКОЙ".
http://irbis.asu.ru/docs/altai/literature/barnaul/2000/nos2....

and finally:
"Мы - Тихоновская Церковь! Мы - «староцерковники»!"
http://catacomb.org.ua/modules.php?name=Pages&go=page&pid=29...


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\"Мы - Тихоновская Церковь! Мы - «староцерковники»!\"
translates as:
\"We Tikhonites! We Old Churchmen!\"

(and the \'Old Churchmen\' are \'Tikhonists\', and are later called \'Josephites\' as well - they are not \'Old Believers\'(Old Ritualists. As explained below, eventually!)

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typo. \'Tikhonites\'

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so: \'Tikhonites\' and \'Old Churchmen\', both.

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In English historical and religious writing, the terms \'Old Churchmen\' and \'New Churchmen\' are general terms, sometimes used to describe any old and new church movements existing today, or existing in the past.

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(I mean that in English writing, in the past there can be Old Churchmen and New Churchmen, and in the present there can be Old Churchmen and New Churchmen)

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There is strong evidence that
староцерковники
is Old Churchmen / Tikhonites / Josephites
1920s & 1930s to the present
(as Natalia and Vladimir also say)

and старообрядцы is Old Believers (Old Ritualists)
1700s to the present.

They are not the same.

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(diocese of the Old Believers)



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eg:
\"Yet for many, Siberia was not a sentence – but a refuge. Descendants of the banned ultra-conservative religious movement, usually known as “Old Believers” (because they refused to accept modernisations of the Rite in the C17th, and clung to the “Old Belief”) still live to the East of Baikal, where the extreme remoteness protected them from persecution.\"
http://www.trans-siberian.co.uk/tours-siberia-sleeping-land....

Old Believers (from a list of denominations)
http://www.starlightsite.co.uk/keston/encyclo/xenia_text.htm...




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\"The Altai krai...
...My contribution....the Old Believer manager on the construction site where a large new Old Believer church is being built in Barnaul. When I eventually received by e-mail the draft report on the krai this contained a vast amount of additional material to my small contribution.
The draft ‘spravka’ starts with a long section on the Russian Orthodox Church, giving some brief background to the Diocese of Barnaul and the Altai: following its total destruction after 1928...\"

http://www.starlightsite.co.uk/keston/encyclo/xenia_text.htm...

http://www.regionalcom.ru/ru/altai/razgon


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Ah, I got my old churches mixed up :-)

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Like Anna, my initial reaction was that the precise term in this question was the Old Believers (originating mid 17th century). I have also studied them :-) However further research make me doubt that староцерковники is this group (the Old Believers or Old Ritualists) - making the Tikhonites a likely candidate, as suggested by Natalia.

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typo. \'..further research makeS me doubt that..\'

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in fact it really does seem to be the Tikhonites [although confusion is very understandable! :-) ]

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Tikhonites

\"To the present day one can accurately call this Catacomb Church either the Church of \"Tikhonites\" or the Church of \"Josephites;\" but most accurately of all, it is known, even to the Soviet authorities themselves, as the \"True Orthodox Church.\"
http://users.sisqtel.net/williams/rcs/metropolitanjoseph.htm...

\"the \"Tikhonites\" and the \"Old-Churchmen\" (who came to be called \"Josephites\")\" [Josephites can also be regarded as Tikhonites]
http://www.russianorthodoxchurch.ws/english/pages/articles/p...

‘Tikhonites’.
http://www.russian-orthodox-church.org.uk/augustnews/catacom...

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\"the so-called Tikhonites, i.e. those who remained faithful to His Holiness, Patriarch Tikhon.\"
\"the true believing \"Tikhonites\" \"
http://www.russianorthodoxchurch.ws/english/pages/articles/p...
\"the opponents of Metropolitan Sergius. These latter could more correctly be called faithful \'Tikhonites.\'\"
http://users.sisqtel.net/williams/rcs/introduction.html

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Correction:
\"The resistance of the confessors, the \"Tikhonite\'s\" and the \"Old-Churchmen\" (who came to be called \"Josephites\")\"
http://www.monasterypress.com/catacomb.html

The \'Josephites\' were definitely a group of \'Tikhonites\', and we are told here that the \'Old Churchmen\' came to be called Josephites.


\"Although Bishop Germanus was an opponent of Sergius, he did not separate from him formally - at least until 1935, when his meeting with Archbishop Theodore took place....\"Bishop Germanus arrived...He said that he did not approve of M.S. [Metropolitan Sergius], but could not separate from him, etc.\" Over a cup of tea they discussed Church matters
and the possibilities of a reconciliation between the sergianists and the True Orthodox.

As a result of the conversation Vladyka Theodore came to the conclusion that
\"a new page in the history of church life is being prepared I had in mind the union of the Old Churchmen and the renovationists\".
http://www.orthodox.net/russiannm/theodore-archbishop-and-hi...

It\'s clear that the Old Churchmen are the Tikhonites/Josephites, and they are called \"Old Churchmen\" in English to distinguish them from the Renovationists.






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\"Мы - Тихоновская Церковь! Мы - «староцерковники»!\"
translates as:
\"We Tikhonites! We Old Churchmen!\"

(and the \'Old Churchmen\' are \'Tikhonists\', and are later called \'Josephites\' as well - they are not \'Old Believers\'(Old Ritualists)

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so: \'Tikhonites\' and \'Old Churchmen\', both.



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(can be used)

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There is strong evidence that
староцерковники
is Old Churchmen / Tikhonites / Josephites
1920s & 1930s to the present
(as Natalia and Vladimir also say)

and старообрядцы is Old Believers (Old Ritualists)
1700s to the present.

They are not the same.