Aug 6, 2005 20:13
18 yrs ago
English term
found as it was ordered to do so
English
Art/Literary
Poetry & Literature
“During the Arab-Israeli war of 1967 the US intelligence collector ship, while cruising in international waters off the coast, was attacked by Israeli aircraft and torpedo boats without any warning. 43 Americans were killed. Israel claimed ‘it was all just a mistake’; President Johnson accepted this lame explanation, despite all the evidence, and a US Navy court of enquiry found as it was ordered to do so by the President.”
Is this to say that Johnson ignores both the evidence, and the navy court, which he himself founded and ordered to check or collect evidence?
Is this to say that Johnson ignores both the evidence, and the navy court, which he himself founded and ordered to check or collect evidence?
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| 4 +4 | issued the judgement in accordance with the President's wishes |
Tony M
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| 4 +12 | the Navy's investigation was rigged by request of the President |
Robert Donahue (X)
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| 5 +2 | A typo |
Alexander Demyanov
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| 4 +2 | the navy court had to agree with the president |
Sinziana Paltineanu (X)
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issued the judgement in accordance with the President's wishes
'found' here has nothing to do with founding in the sense of establishing; it is the word used for a Court judgement, as in "the criminal was found guilty"
What it means is that, despite whatever evidence there might have been to the contrary, the findings of the court (= the judgement) were in accordance with the wishes of the President --- they had been ordered to issue a certain judgement, regardless of the facts of the case.
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Note added at 11 hrs 38 mins (2005-08-07 07:52:36 GMT)
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Since one person seem to take issue with the use of the word \'so\' in the original context, here\'s how I would justify its use here (though as both Ruth and I have already pointed out, this is pretty clumsy writing, at any rate).
Just try re-phrasing the sentence slightly, and the \'so\' becomes well-nigh essential:
\"The Court found the case [not proven etc.] because the President had ordered it to do so\"
In the original sentence, the simple addition of the \'as\' does not, in itself, for me, render the \'so\' unnecessary, even though at first sight that might seem to be the case...
To my way of thinking, a lot of the uncomfortableness in this sentence stems from the particular use of the verb \'to find\' in this sort of context.
What it means is that, despite whatever evidence there might have been to the contrary, the findings of the court (= the judgement) were in accordance with the wishes of the President --- they had been ordered to issue a certain judgement, regardless of the facts of the case.
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Note added at 11 hrs 38 mins (2005-08-07 07:52:36 GMT)
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Since one person seem to take issue with the use of the word \'so\' in the original context, here\'s how I would justify its use here (though as both Ruth and I have already pointed out, this is pretty clumsy writing, at any rate).
Just try re-phrasing the sentence slightly, and the \'so\' becomes well-nigh essential:
\"The Court found the case [not proven etc.] because the President had ordered it to do so\"
In the original sentence, the simple addition of the \'as\' does not, in itself, for me, render the \'so\' unnecessary, even though at first sight that might seem to be the case...
To my way of thinking, a lot of the uncomfortableness in this sentence stems from the particular use of the verb \'to find\' in this sort of context.
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Robert Donahue (X)
: Nice explanation. : )
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Thanks a lot, Robert! :-)
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Nick Lingris
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Thanks, Nick!
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Refugio
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Thanks, Ruth!
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NancyLynn
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Thanks, Nancy!
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "thanx"
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the navy court had to agree with the president
even if this meant to ignore the evidence
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the Navy's investigation was rigged by request of the President
AP) A former Navy attorney who helped lead the military investigation of the 1967 Israeli attack on the USS Liberty that killed 34 American servicemen says former President Lyndon Johnson and his defense secretary, Robert McNamara, ordered that the inquiry conclude the incident was an accident.
In a signed affidavit released at a Capitol Hill news conference, retired Capt. Ward Boston said Johnson and McNamara told those heading the Navy's inquiry to "conclude that the attack was a case of 'mistaken identity' despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary."
Boston was senior legal counsel to the Navy's original 1967 review of the attack. He said in the sworn statement that he stayed silent for years because he's a military man, and "when orders come ... I follow them."
He said he felt compelled to "share the truth" following the publication of a recent book, "The Liberty Incident," which concluded the attack was unintentional.
The USS Liberty was an electronic intelligence-gathering ship that was cruising international waters off the Egyptian coast on June 8, 1967. Israeli planes and torpedo boats opened fire on the Liberty in the midst of what became known as the Israeli-Arab Six-Day War.
In addition to the 34 Americans killed, more than 170 were wounded.
In a signed affidavit released at a Capitol Hill news conference, retired Capt. Ward Boston said Johnson and McNamara told those heading the Navy's inquiry to "conclude that the attack was a case of 'mistaken identity' despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary."
Boston was senior legal counsel to the Navy's original 1967 review of the attack. He said in the sworn statement that he stayed silent for years because he's a military man, and "when orders come ... I follow them."
He said he felt compelled to "share the truth" following the publication of a recent book, "The Liberty Incident," which concluded the attack was unintentional.
The USS Liberty was an electronic intelligence-gathering ship that was cruising international waters off the Egyptian coast on June 8, 1967. Israeli planes and torpedo boats opened fire on the Liberty in the midst of what became known as the Israeli-Arab Six-Day War.
In addition to the 34 Americans killed, more than 170 were wounded.
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Tony M
: You must have posted while my answer was still appearing :-)
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Thank you Dusty!
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Jack Doughty
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Thank you Jack!
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Nick Lingris
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Thank you Nick!
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Vicky Papaprodromou
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Thank you Vicky!
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flipendo
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Thanks Flipendo!
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Andrey Belousov (X)
: Sup, Robert! How d'ya know? Well, normally they call me Dr.DreY!
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Thanks Dr. Dre!
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Refugio
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Thank you Ruth!
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Saleh Chowdhury, Ph.D.
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Thank you Saleh!
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Ulrike Kraemer
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Thank you Little Balu!
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Bianca Jacobsohn
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Thank you Bianca!
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gtreyger (X)
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Thank you Gennadiy!
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Alfa Trans (X)
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Thanks Marju!
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Alexander Demyanov
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A typo
I believe it should read "...US Navy court of inquiry found as it was ordered to by the President" (no "so").
The President ordered the court to make it so that the court's finding accepted tha accident explanation.
See the 1st link provided by Robert Donahue.
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Oops Robert removed his initial answer with the link while i was typing.
Here it is: http://www.usslibertyinquiry.com/news/boston.html. It\'s content is actually in Robert\'s new answer.
The President ordered the court to make it so that the court's finding accepted tha accident explanation.
See the 1st link provided by Robert Donahue.
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Note added at 21 mins (2005-08-06 20:35:01 GMT)
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Oops Robert removed his initial answer with the link while i was typing.
Here it is: http://www.usslibertyinquiry.com/news/boston.html. It\'s content is actually in Robert\'s new answer.
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Robert Donahue (X)
: Hey Alex! How goes it?
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Thanks Robert! Doing well. How are you?
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Tony M
: I don't think it needs a typo to justify the meaning, even though the expression is a little clumsy.... // Your sarcasm is out of place here
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Well, I think it does and, as always, I admire your strong logic/data support for your opinions. // Yet another statement with a wonderful foundation. Bravo! //BTW, what does "needs a typo to justify..." means here?
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flipendo
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Thank you!
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Refugio
: Not a typo, just clumsy writing. By the way, is "It's" a typo?
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Well, if it's not a typo then it's a mistake. "Typo" can be a polite way to point out a mistake. Regardless, what problems do you see with my interpretation of the meaning? // The "It's" above is indeed a typo.
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