Glossary entry

English term or phrase:

Average earnings was v. Average earnings were

English answer:

Average earning were

Added to glossary by Allison Wright (X)
Jan 31, 2011 05:38
13 yrs ago
English term

was

English Bus/Financial Other
Average monthly cash earnings per employee in the Tohoku seven prefectures
in 2009 was 4xxx

Was should be were?

Thank you..
Responses
5 +7 were
5 -2 was
Change log

Feb 7, 2011 05:57: Allison Wright (X) Created KOG entry

Votes to reclassify question as PRO/non-PRO:

Non-PRO (1): Tony M

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Discussion

Tony M Jan 31, 2011:
QED ! Just goes to prove that every imaginable error has already been carefully referenced by our dear search engines — perhaps we ought to rename it 'Goofle'?

Seriously, though, even in the short time I've been using the 'Net for research, it's horrifying just how quickly the most ghastly errors get perpetrated, and it's getting increasingly hard to sort the wheat from the chaff... which is why informed, intelligent interpretation and in-depth investigation of search results is so important.
Egil Presttun Jan 31, 2011:
Earnings is and earnings are Let's make it even worse. Do a Google search on these exact phrases:

"what are the average earnings"
"what is the average earnings"

"the average earnings are"
"the average earnings is"

...and the confusion should be complete.
B D Finch Jan 31, 2011:
@Tony Just call me Mrs Canute!
Tony M Jan 31, 2011:
@ Egil I stand corrected!

It still sounds decidely odd to my GB ears; I note that a large number of the results seem to come from the US, so perhaps once again this is more common in AE than in BE; I also noticed quite a lot of instances by people with an otherwise less-than-perfect command of EN! And it must not be forgotten that 'earning' can appear in this construction as an adjective for a following noun; for example, simply re-doing your search eliminating "earning potential" instantly removed 25% of the results.

However, you are clearly right that it is used in some circumstances; but I have to admit, Canute like, that I don't like it!

(Thanks, Barbara!)
B D Finch Jan 31, 2011:
@Egil Unfortunately, there is a lot of linguistic rubbish on Google (not all of which is rubbish in other respects) and uncritical use of Google as a linguistic resource risks inflating this.

Look at some of the adjectival examples included in the results of your own search:
"The average earning asset mix shifted during 2008", "What is the average earning potential for individuals...?" "the average earning assistant would be paid..." etc.
Egil Presttun Jan 31, 2011:
@Tony "The average earning" is a quite common expression. Take a look:
http://www.google.com/search?q="the average earning"&aq=f&oq...
Tony M Jan 31, 2011:
@ Egil I'm afraid I can't agree with your statement. 'Earnings' is perfectly fine, and is used all the time in natural, native-speaker English, and 'earning' in the singular would, by contrast, be quite unnatural here.

It's like 'wages': we would say "He collected his wages every Friday from the office" — the singular here would sound really odd; but we would indeed say "He earned a good wage" — here, used as a countable, the plural (non-countable) form would sound equally wrong. But of course there is also a countable plural usage: "With two wages coming in, they were quite well off."

The situations isn't identical with 'earnings', since it can only be uncountable; there isn't a singular form 'an earning' (other than in the gerund: 'the action of earning', which is uncountable)
Tony M Jan 31, 2011:
@ Lorenab But 'average' is not a noun at all: it's not 'the average of'; 'average' here is simply an adjective qualifying 'earnings' (just as 'monthly' and 'cash' are)
Egil Presttun Jan 31, 2011:
Was (but the sentence may be changed) Strictly speaking, it should be "earning" instead of "earnings" OR it should be "The average sum of monthly cash earnings per employee...".

In other words, it's not plural. To avoid weird grammar, the sentence could be changed.
Allison Wright (X) Jan 31, 2011:
"Average" is an adjective here! and therefore verb agreement does not apply to it!

Responses

+7
17 mins
Selected

were

"cash earnings" is plural - therefore plural verb agreement.

I would rephrase though, and use "was":
"The average monthly cash *earned* per employee in the seven Tohoku prefectures in 2009 *was* XXX"
Peer comment(s):

agree Thayenga : In this context a definite "plural". :)
6 mins
agree Jack Doughty
1 hr
agree kmtext
1 hr
agree Tony M : Even though a singular conceopt, 'earnings' are plural, and 'were' sounds perfectly natural here.
3 hrs
agree Nicole Y. Adams, M.A.
7 hrs
agree JapanLegal : "Were" is correct, and I see no need to rephrase the sentence.
7 hrs
agree eski
14 hrs
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Thank you very much. I will use "were"."
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2 mins

was

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Note added at 1 hr (2011-01-31 07:27:58 GMT)
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average is Sing so ....
(agreement of verb)
Peer comment(s):

disagree Anton Konashenok : 'average' here is an adjective!
3 hrs
disagree Tony M : 'average' is only an adjective describing the plural noun 'earnings'
3 hrs
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