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Glossary entry

Dutch term or phrase:

collectief vakantie (opnemen)

English translation:

annual holiday should coincide with the annual shutdown

Added to glossary by Michael Beijer
Aug 3, 2011 15:22
12 yrs ago
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Dutch term

collectief vakantie (opnemen)

Dutch to English Bus/Financial Business/Commerce (general)
"De werkgever bepaalt in overleg met de medewerkers met het oog op het bedrijfsbelang of de aaneengesloten vakantie ***collectief dient te worden opgenomen***:"

"Om de onderneming beter te kunnen runnen en zijn klanten beter van dienst te kunnen zijn, heeft hij uiteindelijk besloten het bedrijf voortaan in de zomer vier weken geheel te sluiten en het personeel in die periode ***collectief vakantie op te laten nemen***. Op vakantie gaan daarvoor of daarna is in principe niet toegestaan. "

"***COLLECTIEVE VAKANTIE / VACANCES COLLECTIVES / FIXED HOLIDAY

Annual holiday taken at the same time by all the employees of a particular employer or in a particular industry. The dates of annual holidays are fixed by agreement within the Joint Committee for the industry concerned; failing this, by the works council; and failing this, by negotiation between the employer and employees. See annual holiday ." (http://www.eurofound.europa.eu/emire/BELGIUM/FIXEDHOLIDAY-BE...

"Collectief vastleggen vakantie-uren:
Op grond van de wet wordt vakantie op verzoek van de werknemer door de werkgever vastgesteld. Als de werknemer geen verzoek tot vakantie doet kan een werkgever dus niets vaststellen. Soms is in de arbeidsovereenkomst of CAO opgenomen dat de werkgever (een deel van) de vakantie vaststelt.
Of uw werkgever ***collectief vakantie-uren kan vaststellen*** hangt dus af van de arbeidsovereenkomst en eventueel de CAO."

"Voorbeelden van vakantieregelingen in de zin van artikel 27 WOR zijn besluiten
waarbij een ***collectieve vakantie*** wordt vastgesteld of de aanwijzing van
collectieve snipperdagen."

I am familiar with the translations:

"annual holiday",
"company holiday",
"annual closure period",
"fixed holiday" ...

However, I think that perhaps the term, "company-wide holiday", or "companywide holiday shutdown", covers the Dutch terms best.

Does anyone have any suggestions here?

I am specifically looking for a way of using the term as an adverb, as in, "Of uw werkgever collectief vakantie-uren kan vaststellen hangt dus af van de arbeidsovereenkomst en eventueel de CAO." – but without resorting to using "collectively" – which I have seen used in a number of Dutch/Belgian texts.

Michael
Proposed translations (English)
4 annual holiday should coincide with the annual shutdown
4 +1 collective vacation
4 ......will be collectively implemented
4 simultaneous/concurrent holiday (period)
3 synchronously
3 compulsory holiday

Discussion

writeaway Aug 3, 2011:
2 birds with 1 stone it's used in the same way on both sides of the border in that case. :-)
Barend van Zadelhoff Aug 3, 2011:
I see, Michael I don't know, and let other people come up with suggestions as well, but I just want to mention it, following your line of thought

workforce-wide ?
Michael Beijer (asker) Aug 3, 2011:
My own text is actually Randstad Dutch, but... What I am looking for is one English term for the Dutch, "collectief vakantie" or "collectieve vakantie" – without having to resort to decriptions such as, "taken at the same time by all the employees", etc. Something like, "company-wide holiday". E.g., in the following sentence: "Voorbeelden van vakantieregelingen in de zin van artikel 27 WOR zijn besluiten waarbij een collectieve vakantie wordt vastgesteld of de aanwijzing van collectieve snipperdagen." – the term is not being used as an adverb, and I would like people's suggestions on how they would translate the term, "collectieve vakantie" in sentences such as this.
Barend van Zadelhoff Aug 3, 2011:
suggestion collectief dient te worden opgenomen - by all the employees
collectief vakantie op te laten nemen - have all the employees ...
Collectief vastleggen vakantie-uren - for all the employees
collectieve vakantie - for all the employees ..
Of uw werkgever collectief vakantie-uren kan vaststellen - for all the employees

perhaps you should add 'together' 'at the same time' and the like
writeaway Aug 3, 2011:
your text doesn't have collectief vakantie you seem to be over-reading/misreading. it's Belgian Dutch so I can imagine that's a stumbling block for an NL Dutch native. Collectif is used as an adverb throughout.

Proposed translations

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annual holiday should coincide with the annual shutdown

See the following website:
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=iTdsjE1eTEsC&pg=PA191&lpg...

It is not collective since the workers will not be going on holiday as a group (all going on a coach holiday to Spain or something similar).

This used to be common practice in certain industries. An interesting example is Oldham Wakes, which you can google.
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Thanks Marijke!"
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......will be collectively implemented

Dat houdt in dat het een beleid is en geen keuze . Dat beleid wordt wel in samenwerking overlegd maar dan is het verplicht. Collectively is volgens mij prima
Peer comment(s):
neutral writeaway : implement holidays? interesting concept
14 mins
ik dacht meer aan het uitvoeren van dat voorschrift
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synchronously

Would this be better for you I wonder?

to be taken synchronously.

Example sentence:

Summer holidays to be taken synchronously.

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simultaneous/concurrent holiday (period)

De Nederlandse zin klopt niet: 'Of uw werkgever collectief vakantie-uren kan vaststellen hangt dus af...' De werkgever kan niets 'collectief vaststellen', want hij/zij is maar alleen. Wat de werkgever wel kan doen is 'collectieve vakantie-uren vaststellen'. Dan nu de vertaling: uit de context klinkt enigszins het idee dat de werkgever deze vakantie-uren oplegt, dus zou het misschien iets kunnen zijn met 'impose', anders gewoon 'determine/decide on':

'Depending on .... your employer may be able to impose/determine/decide on a simultaneous/concurrent holiday (period) (for all employees/the entire company).'
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collective vacation

It's not too common in English but in the few texts that I have come across, it is simply called "collective vacation". See reference for one of the collective agreements from Canada, as well as a similar discussion on proz.com
Reference:

http://negotech.labour.gc.ca/eng/agreements/history/07000-07999/0757508a.pdf

http://www.proz.com/kudoz/portuguese_to_english/law%3A_contracts/3593948-ferias_coletivas.html

Peer comment(s):
agree Tina Vonhof (X)
52 mins
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compulsory holiday

Compulsory holiday might be an option if you want to get away from 'collective'. If the holiday is compulsory, the collective aspect is implied without you actually having to use that word.
This site gives an example: http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/2005/jun/18/workandcareers.t... :
"You have a right to paid leave, but the employer can reject a demand to take holiday at a particular time. And if necessary it can impose a compulsory holiday period - such as closing during the summer or at Christmas."
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