Jun 10, 2016 10:11
7 yrs ago
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French term
ENFR legal expert - sworn interpreter
Native in: French 
Works in: English to French, French
cosaisine
French to English
Law/Patents
Law (general)
Dans le cadre d'une "collégialisation" de l'instruction, plusieurs juges sont saisis sur une affaire.
Voici la phrase, avec le terme "cosaisine" que j\'ai du mal à traduire en l'état. "en cosaisine avec"
Merci d'avance pour votre aide.
Nous, xxxxxxxx, vice président chargé de l'instruction au Tribunal de Grande Instance de xxxxx, étant en notre Cabinet, en cosaisine avec xxxxxxxxxx, vice présidente chargée de l'instruction.
Voici la phrase, avec le terme "cosaisine" que j\'ai du mal à traduire en l'état. "en cosaisine avec"
Merci d'avance pour votre aide.
Nous, xxxxxxxx, vice président chargé de l'instruction au Tribunal de Grande Instance de xxxxx, étant en notre Cabinet, en cosaisine avec xxxxxxxxxx, vice présidente chargée de l'instruction.
Proposed translations
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| 4 +3 | co-appointed with |
Andrew Bramhall
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| 3 +2 | jointly assigned |
AllegroTrans
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| 4 | (crim) joint referral of consolidated cases |
Adrian MM. (X)
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References
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writeaway
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Proposed translations
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Andrew Bramhall
United Kingdom
United Kingdom
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United Kingdom
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Native in: English 
Works in: Spanish to English, German to English
Related KudoZ points
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co-appointed with
'In co-appointment with' ; where various judges preside in a trial, then they are co-appointees; these appointments are presumably by the court or some other official body.
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Chakib Roula
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Dareth Pray
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philgoddard
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Adrian MM. (X)
: 'presumably' is unresearched and suggests the judges have been appointed 'en banc'. It's the matter that they have been 'jointly seised' with.
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Selected automatically based on peer agreement."
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(crim) joint referral of consolidated cases
We - in advance of the monolingual Brexit referendum - may need, with this prima facie Norman-French legal term, to take a broad, but subtle and sophisticated, penal or criminal view (UK: consolidation vs. civil joinder of actions).
Example sentence:
Ils seront compétents en matière de crime et dans les affaires où une co-saisine aura été décidée
he assailed Order denied petitioners Motion to Consolidate the said criminal case for indirect bribery with Criminal Case No. 26558
Peer comment(s):
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Andrew Bramhall
: The sentence quoted: "he assailed Order denied petitioners Motion to Consolidate the said criminal case for indirect bribery with Criminal Case No. 26558" - is completely meaningless machine-translated rubbish, sorry;
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... the assailed Order..' albeit I bow to your superior knowledge of consolidated actions.
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AllegroTrans
: In the context of the ST, we simply don't know whether this is about consolidated cases//My reading of the ST is simply that two Judges of the TGI are going to hear a case (presumably the norm is single judge) -nothing about consolidation
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consolidation is a throw-away. It's the joint referral that counts on a collégialisation: http://juris.canalblog.com/archives/2007/06/01/5141242.html
NB the 'gibberish' quoted is from the Philippine Supreme Court which uses AmE as an official lingo.
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AllegroTrans
United Kingdom
United Kingdom
Native in English
Specializes in field
United Kingdom
Sensible solutions
Native in: English (Variant: Wessexois)
Works in: French to English, English, English to French
Related KudoZ points
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jointly assigned
The Court "machinery" "assigns" Judges to hearings. As far as I can tell, this is a case where 2 juges d'instruction are to hear the case instead of the usual single judge.
Courts and Tribunals Judiciary | High Court judges
https://www.judiciary.gov.uk/about-the.../judges/high-court-...
High Court judges are assigned to one of the three divisions of the High Court – the Queen's Bench Division the Family Division and the Chancery Division.
CFAs 'validly assigned', judge rules | News | Law Society Gazette
www.lawgazette.co.uk/news/cfas...assigned-judge.../5055238....
12 May 2016 - A13YJ811), His Honour Judge Graham Wood QC (pictured) held that 'both the benefit and the burden' of the CFA were successfully assigned, ...
29 CFR 102.35 - Duties and powers of administrative law judges ...
https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/29/102.35
102.35 Duties and powers of administrative law judges; stipulations of cases to administrative law judges or to the Board; assignment and powers of settlement ...
28 U.S. Code § 294 - Assignment of retired Justices or judges to active ...
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/28/294
Any retired Chief Justice of the United States or Associate Justice of the Supreme Court may be designated and assigned by the Chief Justice of the United ...
How is a judge assigned to a case that is opened electronically?
www.ord.uscourts.gov › FAQs › Civil Case Opening
There are limited circumstances in which the assignment of the judge may occur following the case opening process by the Clerk's Office. You will receive a ...
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Note added at 6 hrs (2016-06-10 16:43:37 GMT)
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The following support my idea that this is about assigning more than one single juge d'instruction:
Projet de loi tendant à renforcer l'équilibre de la procédure pénale
www.senat.fr › ... › Rapports › Rapports législatifs
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En l'état du droit, à défaut de collégialité, la cosaisine de plusieurs juges d'instruction est possible. En effet, bien qu'en principe une affaire n'est confié qu'à un ...
Le juge d'instruction - AFMI
www.afmi.asso.fr/ji.php
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Le juge d'instruction est un magistrat du siège du Tribunal de Grande Instance. ... pôles de l'instruction et développé la cosaisine (possibilité pour 2 ou 3 juges ...
Courts and Tribunals Judiciary | High Court judges
https://www.judiciary.gov.uk/about-the.../judges/high-court-...
High Court judges are assigned to one of the three divisions of the High Court – the Queen's Bench Division the Family Division and the Chancery Division.
CFAs 'validly assigned', judge rules | News | Law Society Gazette
www.lawgazette.co.uk/news/cfas...assigned-judge.../5055238....
12 May 2016 - A13YJ811), His Honour Judge Graham Wood QC (pictured) held that 'both the benefit and the burden' of the CFA were successfully assigned, ...
29 CFR 102.35 - Duties and powers of administrative law judges ...
https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/29/102.35
102.35 Duties and powers of administrative law judges; stipulations of cases to administrative law judges or to the Board; assignment and powers of settlement ...
28 U.S. Code § 294 - Assignment of retired Justices or judges to active ...
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/28/294
Any retired Chief Justice of the United States or Associate Justice of the Supreme Court may be designated and assigned by the Chief Justice of the United ...
How is a judge assigned to a case that is opened electronically?
www.ord.uscourts.gov › FAQs › Civil Case Opening
There are limited circumstances in which the assignment of the judge may occur following the case opening process by the Clerk's Office. You will receive a ...
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Note added at 6 hrs (2016-06-10 16:43:37 GMT)
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The following support my idea that this is about assigning more than one single juge d'instruction:
Projet de loi tendant à renforcer l'équilibre de la procédure pénale
www.senat.fr › ... › Rapports › Rapports législatifs
Translate this page
En l'état du droit, à défaut de collégialité, la cosaisine de plusieurs juges d'instruction est possible. En effet, bien qu'en principe une affaire n'est confié qu'à un ...
Le juge d'instruction - AFMI
www.afmi.asso.fr/ji.php
Translate this page
Le juge d'instruction est un magistrat du siège du Tribunal de Grande Instance. ... pôles de l'instruction et développé la cosaisine (possibilité pour 2 ou 3 juges ...
Peer comment(s):
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philgoddard
: But this is just another way of expressing Oliver's answer.
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Not really: a judge is "appointed" when he first becomes a judge; thereafter, he can be "assigned" to specific cases, which is what I think this ST is about
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Adrian MM. (X)
: the emphasis is on the allocation of the case and not on judicial appointment.
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assigned or allocated, yrs, thanks
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Ben Gaia
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thanks
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Reference comments
22 mins
Reference:
from Kudoz glossary
Peer comments on this reference comment:
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AllegroTrans
: all well and good, but this does not necessarily help with cosaisine; maybe you yourself can propose an answer?
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why? If I wanted to I would have. I'll leave answering to you
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philgoddard
: I think this is relevant, though I wouldn't expect the asker to have found it.
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Adrian MM. (X)
: with the referral (of the matter) answer tucked away in there - seising a judge of the matter is still used in legal EN.
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Discussion
Wiktionary does give "joint appeal" for "cosaisine", but if you Google "en cosaisine avec" it's just a fancy way of saying "together with".
You are also obviously better-looking than me.