référencéé aux droits de

English translation: [some potential obstacle] linked to / referenced to this location / to this property

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French term or phrase:	référencéé aux droits de
English translation:	[some potential obstacle] linked to / referenced to this location / to this property
Entered by:	Cassandra Delacote

16:23 Jun 22, 2018

French to English translations [PRO]
Bus/Financial - Law: Contract(s) / facilities classified for environmental protection

French term or phrase: référencéé aux droits de

Contexte:
"Interrogation du site XXX base de données nationale (inventaire des sites et sols pollués ou potentiellement pollués appelant une action des pouvoirs publics, à titre préventif ou curatif) en date du 9 mai 2018 dont il résulte qu’aucune installation n’est référencée aux droits de l’Ensemble Immobilier,
- Interrogation du site « Base des installations Classées » (inventaire des installations classées soumises à autorisation ou à enregistrement en construction, en fonctionnement ou en cessation d’activité) en date du 9 mai 2018 dont il résulte qu’aucune installation n’est référencée aux droits de l’Ensemble Immobilier,

I actually cannot make out what this means what "rights of the building complex" are referred to here?

Your expert help would be very much appreciated!

Cassandra Delacote KudoZ activity Questions: 550 (none open) (17 without valid answers) (31 closed without grading) Answers: 0 France
Local time: 12:21

[some potential obstacle] linked to / referenced to this location / to this property

Explanation:
"aux droits de ..." = version désuète de "aux endroits des ..."

That's what makes sense, also confirmed by CNRTL [Centre National de Ressources Textuelles et Lexicales]

as it is often the case, to understand legalese you have to dig into the archaeological layers of language:

c) Loc. prép., ***vx.*** Au droit de. Au niveau de, en face de, à la perpendiculaire de. M. Hirsch (...) a fait, sur la vaporisation dans les chaudières au droit du foyer, de très remarquables expériences (Ser, Phys. industr.,1888, p. 246):
8. ... je vis glisser devant moi (...) un petit bâtiment. Il longea un moment la côte, puis, virant au droit de la passe du port et franchissant la limite des patrouilles, piqua vers le large et se perdit bientôt à l'horizon. Gracq, Le Rivage des Syrtes,1951, p. 44.
3. Comme il faut, régulier.
a) Loc. adv. Au droit (***vx.***). Sur le parcours, au bon endroit. Pourtant il y a de bons riches, puisque vous l'êtes, vous, madame Blanchet, c'est le tout de se trouver au droit pour les rencontrer (Sand, F. le Champi,1850, p. 73).

http://www.cnrtl.fr/definition/droit

the use of the plural would make sense for "un Ensemble Immobilier" i.e. a large area with many lots/locations where you could have to deal with "listed buildings" / "contaminated soil" and other assorted sources of annoyance for developers.

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... aucune installation n’est référencée aux droits de l’Ensemble Immobilier,
=
--- there isn't any cross-reference to the location(s) covered by this "Ensemble orImmobilier"
or
--- none of the areas where there are potential obstacle to development have the same [location] reference as any of the parts of this "Ensemble Immobilier"

& similar ...

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or

there are no entries in that other register that would relate to / refer to any of the locations/plots/lots of this development.

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the searches in question:

Base de données BASOL sur les sites et sols pollués
(ou potentiellement pollués) appelant
une action des pouvoirs publics, à titre préventif ou curatif

https://basol.developpement-durable.gouv.fr/recherche.php

https://basol.developpement-durable.gouv.fr/

Base des installations classées

Cette base contient les installations soumises à autorisation ou à enregistrement (en construction, en fonctionnement ou en cessation d'activité). Dernière mise à jour de la base de données : 23/06/2018.

Région :
Département :
Commune :
Nom de l'établissement :
Activité principale :
Régime de l'établissement :
Rubrique nomenclature IC :
Priorité nationale :
Statut Seveso :
IED-MTD(1) :
Déclaration annuelle émissions :
(1) établissements relevant du chapitre II de la Directive n°2010/75/UE du 24/11/2010 relative aux émissions industrielles"
http://www.installationsclassees.developpement-durable.gouv....

http://www.installationsclassees.developpement-durable.gouv....

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also
https://basol.developpement-durable.gouv.fr/faq.htm

https://basol.developpement-durable.gouv.fr/glossaire/home.h...

all the information in these two databases is presented by location, do as far as I can see it's about matching entries from these databases with the location of this "Ensemble Immobilier".

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La définition d'un ensemble immobilier ? Qu'est-ce que cela veut dire ?

Un ensemble immobilier est une construction d'immeubles d'habitation ou d'immeubles professionnels – bureaux, magasins, usines, entrepôts, etc.-.

C'est aussi une série de parcelles, bâties ou non bâties, ayant des droits différents de propriété à l'intérieur d'un même périmètre.

Majoritairement, la constitution d'un ensemble immobilier inclut des immeubles, des terrains, des services communs et divers aménagements.

Il n'est pas obligatoirement géré par les règles du statut de la copropriété : l'ensemble peut être une juxtaposition d'immeubles ou de bâtiments appartenant à des copropriétaires différents ou à un unique propriétaire.

https://www.rachatducredit.com/definition-ensemble-immobilie...

Selected response from:

Daryo
United Kingdom
Local time: 11:21

Grading comment

Thank you for this answer which, after much hesitation, I eventually used as it fitted with the context and another section where it appeared again. I am also very grateful to Germaine for her input which I am sure is correct, but I eventually had to make a choice!
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[some potential obstacle] linked to / referenced to this location / to this property

Daryo

Discussion entries: 6

Nikki Scott-Despaigne

@Cassandra

17:21 Jun 25, 2018

Following on from what AT has suggested. This knowledge can be gained but wherever you see reference to anything vaguely official, it is necessary to refer to that source. Official sources sometimes have official EN versions, although the quality is sometimes horrendous. Your client may wish you to follow such official translations regardless. Most of all, the official sources provide the key context. You no doubt know where to track that info down but when it's in the source document, I consider it compuslory to check it out. ;-)

AllegroTrans

United Kingdom

A proper undertsanding of all this...

18:39 Jun 24, 2018

involves knowledge of the French property transaction system - i.e. the stages in preparation of a contract, the searches that need to be made, the technical reports that have to be obtained, and the cadastre and land registry procedures.

Cassandra Delacote

France

ASKER

18:05 Jun 24, 2018

Thank you Germaine, your input seems very logical. It does make it so difficult to determine which is the true meaning though! I will look up the site as you suggest.

Daryo

United Kingdom

@ AllegroTrans

05:54 Jun 24, 2018

these seems to be two new freshly created databases [Directive n°2010/75/UE du 24/11/2010] that are separate from any Land registry / Cadastre - the cross-referencing/search is by location - and obviously it will have or not some impact on the corresponding title.

AllegroTrans

United Kingdom

Agree with Germaine

00:17 Jun 24, 2018

that "droits de l’Ensemble Immobilier" probably means nothing more than "title to the building development". In the context I imagine it is saying that no "listed installation" is referred to in the title documents and/or searches such as the Land Registry. the Prefectorate etc.

Germaine

Canada

Cassandra,

17:13 Jun 23, 2018

Tu devrais consulter le site en question (qui comporte un glossaire) pour mieux comprendre ce dont il s'agit - et notamment le sens de "installation/installation classée" (défini dans le Code). Pour ma part (et bien que les subtilités administratives françaises et moi...), je crois comprendre que ce texte dit ni plus ni moins que "aucune installation n'est listée/mentionnée à l'égard des droits fonciers de l’Ensemble Immobilier" (something like "There is no facility mentioned on the real-estate complex entitlements" ou "There is no reference of a facility to the real-estate complex titles").

Answers

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[un empêchement quelconque] référencé aux droits de [désignation d'un "endroit"]

[some potential obstacle] linked to / referenced to this location / to this property

Daryo
United Kingdom
Local time: 11:21
Specializes in field
Native speaker of:

Serbian,

French
PRO pts in category: 112

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Asker: Wow Daryo! That is awesome, I could never have discovered that without your help! Thank you so much for the explanations, references and suggested translation. I am really impressed!

Asker: You also made a comment as to the expression "projet de vente" and disagreed on the proposed translation "Draft Sales Agreement". Could you possibly also make a suggestion as to the correct translation in that context. I had used Preliminary contract of sale"/"Sale Pre-Contract Agreement" appended to the undertaking to sell. What do you think?

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